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17-23 Trip
starts today For three days, they'll tour the city, attend sessions on downtown development, workforce housing and arts and culture, and meet with their Dane County, Madison and University of Wisconsin counterparts. The trip was organized by the Chapel Hill-Carrboro Chamber of Commerce Foundation for a Sustainable Community. Though Madison is a much larger city than Chapel Hill and a state capital, chamber executive director Aaron Nelson said there are strong similarities between the two areas. Lessons from the construction of Madison's research park in the 1980s and current plans for a second one can help Carolina North planners, Nelson said. Madison's State Street, he said, "may be one of the best college town Main Streets in the country." Right now, developers are building eight- and nine-story condo projects downtown, like those Chapel Hill is considering... Century
of success Carl Van Ness, UF's historian, noted that relations between the community and an ever-growing university have not always been rosy. Indeed, greater student movement into traditional single-family neighborhoods in Gainesville has been the source of much debate in recent years. The mix of sometimes rowdy students and families in the same neighborhoods can be a source of tension in any college town, Van Ness said, and Gainesville is no exception... Friday's celebration also worked to preserve UF's living history for future generations. UF, city, state and county officials contributed mementos to a time capsule that will be sealed in UF's archives for 100 years... Students,
residents at odds With the growth of the short-term summer rental market, they are also saying it could get worse. Debate over student rentals in the Center City area was interwoven with discussion over short-term summer rentals for baseball camp families at an Intergovernmental Affairs Committee meeting last month and a Common Council meeting Tuesday. Residents and city officials say growth of both forms of rentals are depleting the stock of owner-occupied homes in the city, which in turn is degrading the quality of life in some neighborhoods... OSU
board slams slots "If we are silent, it implies we support it because we could benefit from it," said trustee Leslie H. Wexner, Limited Brands founder. "I think it’s very clever — and bad public policy." The constitutional amendment, Issue 3 on the November ballot, would send
30 percent of the money raised through slots into college scholarships
that students would earn while in high school, hence the "Learn and
Earn" tag. It would allow seven horse-racing tracks and two downtown
Cleveland casinos to operate 31,500 slot machines... The key is to provide people reasons to revisit them over and over. As a university town with a healthy combination of college students, seasoned professors and professionals in other areas of life, Hattiesburg has the natural demographics that often have a special affinity for the arts and cultural amenities... College
plans housing project "We're targeting people who are probably in their 50s or 60s, people who are interested in downsizing their living quarters and are interested in living close to our institution and the other colleges," said Johan G. Brongers, vice president for finance and administration at Hampshire, yesterday... UM
a profitable fixture for Gables George Merrick included a university in his vision for his ''City Beautiful,'' and in 1926 he jump-started the endeavor with a 600-acre, $5 million donation for the University of Miami. Since then, the university's presence has spurred much economic and cultural growth in Coral Gables, university officials say... in response to the rift between the school and nearby residents, the university in 2003 launched Collegetown, a program that allows neighbors in the immediate area to take advantage of some campus events and services. ''It was created with the sole purpose of creating a better relationship with our immediate neighbors,'' Artecona said. UM neighbors receive schedules, maps and a Cane Community Card that provides a discount at the Jerry Herman Ring Theatre, the Bill Cosford Cinema and certain athletic events... 5
developers meet deadline in bid to build university in Charlotte The university gave bidders several requirements, including a donation of at least 150 acres, enough to hold 10,000 students, and $5 million in seed money... Landlords
quitting due to tough new Government rules The Royal Institution for Chartered Surveyors said a quarter of surveyors in the south of England were selling their properties as they struggle with 'House in Multi-Occupation' laws. The laws were introduced in April to ensure that landlords that operate bedsit-style properties, or a single property that has been divided by two with the residents sharing a bathroom or kitchen, were licensed. To be licensed they had to ensure the property met strict health and safety laws, such as having the appropriate fire doors... Officials
discuss redevelopment costs in College Park City lawyers and Mayor Stephen Brayman discussed the costs of the city’s downtown redevelopment with residents Sept. 21, revealing that the downtown parking garage — the centerpiece of the project — would cost about $7.3 million. The city hired Alabama-based Capstone Development Corporation to head all the projects. If all goes according to the city’s plan, College Park will make $67 million after spending about $46 million on the condo project. Earlier this year, the city unveiled plans to move City Hall to Calvert Road, leaving the current City Hall site open for new condominiums. The condos will be nine stories, the city’s development outline said, which some residents felt would not mesh with the character of the downtown... Housing
may go up on Lasick’s property But Lasick now appears to be scrapping those designs, as discussions between the restaurateur and JPI Property Management, the management company at University Town Center in Hyattsville, has led county and city officials to say a large-scale housing development could be in the works... UW
freshmen join the packed Although the UW has placed students in "triples" in the past, this year it's happening more than ever, officials said. There's even a waiting list of students who live within commuting distance to campus who want university housing but couldn't get it because of lack of space... Officials
say ordinances wouldn't hurt enrollment But officials say growth in the private apartment market and a willingness by council to work out the kinks in the proposed ordinance should allay those concerns... "I think they're going to come up with something reasonable," she said. "But I do think this is a wake-up call that the people who want to live in the city do want something to happen." Council President Carter Carroll said he hopes to look to a similar-sized university town such as Auburn, Ala., and see how its officials have handled off-campus student housing. "Auburn has areas where college students cannot rent. We need to look at other cities that are university-driven and see what they are doing," Carroll said. "There has got to be a way to get this done. We can do it in a precise way, but we have to do it in a fast way."... Neighbors
decry UMass drinking Public urination, screaming, speeding vehicles and vandalism were just a few of the problems neighbors cited during the gathering inside Campus Center that was organized by the Campus and Community Coalition to Reduce High Risk Drinking. "The concerns of the neighborhood are long-standing," said Elissa Rubinstein, who lives on Fearing Street. "There have been parties already this year with several hundred people attending. That affects us. It's in our back yard."... Education
Realty Trust Starts Work at University of Alabama Campus in Tuscaloosa The 631-bed Ridgecrest Residential Community is scheduled to open in the fall of 2007. The two buildings will feature primarily four-bedroom/two-bathroom units with living rooms and kitchenettes and provide a mix of community spaces such as recreational rooms and study centers... UC,
neighbors settle student housing suit "We're gratified this is settled because it allows us to address the demand for more on-campus student housing as well as neighbors' requests that we reduce our reliance on off-campus student housing," said UCR spokeswoman... ND
area condos planned You
might as well get a mortgage Yet, another type of student housing exists, and is on the rise. Instead of stained ceilings, there are high, trendy lofts. Instead of removable cut-out bedroom carpets, there are beautiful stained hardwood floors. Instead of the used bed you inherited from your boss for $100, there are plush beds and posh furniture provided for you. And, instead of the $350 plus utilities, you're forking over $700, sometimes $800 a month - plus underground, heated parking... The sad part? Student luxury housing, although it's not there yet, very quickly is becoming the norm... High-dollar
renovations near completion The work, part of phased renovations to several downtown buildings, includes an overhaul of upper-level apartments and improvements to storefronts that now hold Dairy Queen, the Lyric Theatre and Hanger 54. Most construction is expected to be complete in the next month, and Lester Properties General Manager Doug Walsh said he hopes the $2.5 million face-lift will result in increased interest downtown -- both in terms of foot traffic and tenant leases... While improvements to commercial space has been largely limited to store facades, the 11 one- and two-bedroom units above have been gutted and redesigned as upscale lofts. Likely the most expensive rental apartments downtown, the 558- to 956-square-foot units are priced to rent for $2,000 to $3,050 a month and feature fireplaces, skylights and granite countertops... Navigating
Morgantown's Changing Dining Scene Univ.
Blvd set for new shops The recently completed section of the Marshall retail building boasts new stores that are appealing to students. With the opening of new shops and restaurants the amount of people visiting University Avenue has vividly increased... The
property challenge for students As the university term begins up and down the country, the nation’s students will be enjoying the freedom of living away from their families. While many students are given a room in halls of residence for their first and sometimes subsequent years, an estimated 90% of students will live in private rented accommodation for at least part of their time at university. Finding, paying for and looking after a rented home will be vital to a successful university career. Student numbers place pressure on housing Huge numbers of students swell the populations of some of the UK’s university towns – for example, the students of Bangor University in Wales amount to almost 70% of the residents of the town... New
digs on campus But while all three of those venues were abuzz, there was no doubt what the brightest of the four-star ceremony was meant to be: The $10 million, apartment-style Concord Hall, the newest of 12 student residence halls on the main Moon campus on University Boulevard... Student
Projections Fuel Zoning Discussion Greater Height The commission met in special session to discuss the development of a proposed residential classification, R-5, that would likely include residential developments catering to college students. The classification would allow taller buildings than current zoning allows... Indianola
Residents Zoned Out This new law, Ordinance No. 1361, concerns the number of tenants in a household and goes into effect next summer. The ordinance only allows four residents in one house who aren't related. However, the housing units, which are owned by Simpson, are not included in the zone. City Councilman Randy Gathers said the council simply changed the definition of a family. The old ordinance stated that a family was one or more persons occupying premises, whether related by birth or marriage. As for the new ordinance, a family is one or more persons related by blood, foster family or adoption. Hanging
out in college town She was meeting some friends from her days in the school and we got the chance to see them and hang out... College-town
property rents increase The report, which examines rent growth in 64 college towns during 2004-2006, finds that at a time when conventional apartment properties were struggling... A
room with a view of the stadium "It's brutal to find a place to stay on game day in many of these college towns, and you have a lot of rabid fans out there who want to own a piece of real estate like this," says Michael McGwier, executive managing director at Trammell Crow Residential, an Atlanta firm that recently teamed up with developer Gameday Centers Southeastern LLC to market condos planned near the University of Notre Dame, the University of Tennessee and other locations... UCR
officials to meet with neighbors UCR, which has about 17,000 students, is projected to grow to about 21,000 students by 2010. Neighbors have expressed concerns about how that growth has and would affect residential areas near the campus... Student
takes one year to complete 4-year U.Va. degree "I was impressed _ I would say amazed," said Donald Ramirez, vice chairman of the mathematics department. Banh, who turns 19 later this month, graduated from Thomas Jefferson High School in Alexandria in 2005. A year and a summer later, he was a U.Va. alumnus. Thanks to a mountain of advanced placement credits, Banh was already ahead of the game. "I flirted with the idea back in high school, and thought I could finish college in a year and a half, in three semesters," Banh said. "But after my first semester (at U.Va.), I realized I had all this extra time, and that if I stayed for a second year I didn't have a way to pay for it without taking out loans." So he went for it -- taking 11 classes in the spring of 2006 to complete his bachelor's in mathematics... Streetcars
a possible future transit mode for Madison The Madison Streetcar Campaign held a meeting Tuesday night to explore the possibility of streetcars in the downtown area. The campaign is a partnership between 1001 Friends of Wisconsin, Downtown Trolley and the Dane Alliance for Rail Transit—three companies concerned with Dane County’s transportation future... Nuns
sweeten deal for second-home investors If you want to invest in a college rental yet would prefer not to rent to undergrads, take a day and meet some of the department heads and other resource officials on campus. There could be a group that fills the investment property you would like to buy... UF
has social responsibility to Gainesville In Atlanta, universities regularly engage with the city in partnership programs aimed at building the city's economy. Georgia State is constantly offering classes in every area - from entrepreneurship to business counseling - to the general public. Most of these services come free of charge. Georgia Tech was the major force behind a project which turned one of Atlanta's oldest and worst slums into a thriving business and residential district. Did any of this put money in the universities' pockets? No. At least not immediately. So why did they do it? Because they have a social responsibility to the city. Ultimately, they created an environment that was better for students, better for faculty members and better for city residents... GMH
Strategic Options Still Stuck in Limbo In August, the student housing division acquired two 100%-leased properties and acquired 26 developable acres near Sam Houston State University in Huntsville, TX. Existing student housing properties are 94% leased for the 2006-2007 academic season. The portfolio's occupancy is expected to rise in California, where the academic year begins late... Panel
OKs UCSC growth In a unanimous vote, the Committee on Grounds and Buildings certified UCSC's long-range development plan and an accompanying environmental impact report, which during the next 14 years could increase the size of the student body by 30 percent, boost building square-footage by 66 percent and add three new professional schools... Two measures have been placed on the November ballot to halt expansion. One requires the university to pay ``the full cost'' of growth; the other blocks municipal services if growth proceeds. ``We're disappointed that they did not take seriously the constraints that we presented,'' Santa Cruz Mayor Cynthia Mathews said after the vote... SDSU
neighbors demand mini-dorm restrictions People often jeered public officials on hand to talk about the situation and asked for stricter building codes and complained of slow police response to noise and parties... Steps
taken to rezone South U The zoning ordinance change, which will be up for a second and final vote next month, would double the allowable building height limits in that area from the current three stories. Last night's first reading was approved by a unanimous vote... "I see more housing options that will be available along the street front,'' Easthope said. "Right now, it is just retail and restaurant dominating.'' Carlberg said developers don't want to bring in just student housing, but are looking for a mix of students and young professionals in that area... Neighbor
vs neighbor in housing debate "We will not be able to absorb the student housing demand. If students cannot find housing they will go to a university where they can find housing." But the council is under pressure from constituents to keep party houses out of their neighborhoods. Council President Carter Carroll says officials hope to carve out an ordinance before the end of the year that can please both sides... Campus
Housing Offers Three New ‘Green’ Living Options The new green room, apartment and suite, which are located in Unit 1, Channing Bowditch Apartments and Foothill respectively, are meant to show students how they can live a sustainable lifestyle by changing their habits and making environmentally friendly purchases... All
the characteristics of a big city with college town feel Just 90 miles from New York City, New Haven, Connecticut sprouts spires reminiscent of Prague, and sits comfortably in the shadow of a rock formation of the sleeping giant on one side and Long Island sound on another... Council
holds Urban Village kick off meeting For the first time, the consultant for the project, Delta/EDSA Inc., met with council members as well as local residents to discuss the plan for the neighborhood. The Borough Council hopes to revitalize the Urban Village neighborhood, citing aging and deteriorating buildings as a reason for bringing change to the area... Plans
for arts neighborhood take shape The catalyst for its relocation is the development of a creative and performing arts "neighborhood" along Alexander Street, a far-reaching initiative that will create a center of academics, entertainment and retail on the Borough-Township border. Billionaire philanthropist Peter Lewis '55 has already pledged $101 million for the project... The University hopes that a more lively scene along Alexander Street will transform the unsightly area into "a neighborhood center attractive not only to students but to people attending creative and performing arts events," Hlafter said. New restaurants and shops interspersed among the arts facilities will serve the community and students. It is hoped that the development will make students living in Forbes and the Graduate College feel a stronger connection to the campus... Santa
Cruz makes move to check growth at UC And it was small -- very small. No more. Today, with nearly 15,000 students, it's on a clear trajectory to becoming a world-class research institution. But the feisty politicians who run Santa Cruz are digging in to fight an ambitious plan that would expand the university's size, scope and reputation... City
wants to change name of main road to college City and university officials want to turn Monte Vista Avenue into University Avenue, an idea that has irked some business owners. "Any university town has a University Avenue, and we don't," said university President Hamid Shirvani. "What we are really trying to do is to create a university in a city and a city in a university -- a seamless, wallless university that is part of the community."... City
says party's over after five days That's the word from Bowling Green City Council, which ruled at its meeting last night to shorten the time between notification and action. Previously, residents and landlords had 15 days to bag the litter and cut the grass after receiving a letter from the city... Education
Realty completes acquisition of California community The 218,000-square-foot, off-campus, upscale housing community was developed by Robert Olson of R.D. Olson Development. Memphis-based Education Realty Trust purchased the building as an addition to its off-campus student community portfolio... Rental
rules stir heated debate "I'm steady picking up garbage from my neighbor's yard," James Smith said, explaining that a house full of college-age renters who live next door typify the problem being discussed. "If Hattiesburg is trying to lure retirees, they need to do something about this," Janet Smith said. "Either Hattiesburg wants retirees or college students or they can find a way we can all live together. We loved Hattiesburg. It was such a beautiful neighborhood but now we almost wouldn't move into this neighborhood again." A show of hands about two hours into the hearing indicated a large majority of those in attendance supported the ordinances, but it came after nearly all of the dozen or so student-age residents and some real estate professionals had left... TU
communicates behavior policy The policy allows neighbors to file complaints about Towson students
living in neighborhoods around campus. The division of student affairs
follows up on repeated complaints with a visit to the residence and potential
sanctions. "We've had really positive responses," she said... City
gets set for new invasion of students The city council, residents' groups and police are working with Leeds University and Leeds Metropolitan University to work out how best to minimise the impact of Freshers' Week. They will be taking action on litter, street drinking and anti-social
behaviour in and around Headingley. GW's
Campus Plan for Dummies Campus
Groups Mobilize to Register 700 Students The project is part of the American Association of State Colleges and Universities non-partisan 32-state effort to register 40,000 college students to vote in 2006. Members of the Student Government Association will be on hand to register voters during the student-led Constitution Day Speak Out on this afternoon until 6:30 p.m. Students, faculty and staff began to continuously read from the Constitution and Bill of Rights in front of the Powell Student Center at 11 a.m. The event will culminate in a mock protest honoring the 35th anniversary of the 26th Amendment which changed the voting age to 18. The “protesters” will then march to the Student Services Building, where attorney Jeffrey Friedman, a former elected official from Austin, Texas, will address the University and community about the significance of the young vote... Student
group seeks to refine used veggie oil for biodiesel The final vision of the project is to convert used cooking grease into fuel for campus vehicles and to reduce or eliminate oil consumption from outside the University, said Amanda Cuellar, the project president. "We hope to talk with all diesel-fuel vehicle operators and oil producers and eventually build a reactor,"... Myers
Park celebrates long link with campus Having Queens University of Charlotte in the backyard makes it all worthwhile, Childs said Sunday afternoon, as he joined several hundred neighbors in celebrating the school's 150th anniversary. Queens and the Myers Park Neighborhood Association commemorated their neighborly relationship on a warm late-summer afternoon, gathering for a picnic under the old oaks in front of the university campus. "It's like an anchor, a symbol of the neighborhood's rich tradition," said Childs, a former president of the neighborhood association and a longtime community activist. "In many ways, Queens and Myers Park share the same history." Sunday's picnic, which included live music and a barbecue luncheon, was the first in a series of events planned by Queens to get the community involved in the school's sesquicentennial... Mini-dorms
raise ire of neighbors “It's become a real blight on a single-family neighborhood,” said San Diego City Councilman Jim Madaffer, whose district includes the College Area surrounding SDSU. “Because they are college students, and God love them, they party.” Madaffer is hosting a town forum tomorrow to discuss the problem and options for the city... Kegs
banned; no one happy Under the keg ban, students who live on campus complain they will be forced to spend more for beer by the can and lug multiple 30-pack cases to parties. Year-round beach residents, meanwhile, worry it will exacerbate their ongoing battle over raucous student parties in their neighborhood. "We can't have a keg on campus, so where are we going to have them, folks?" Paige Herman, a beach resident, said of the prospects for more keg-fueled parties at the beach. "It's disgraceful. This is not a step in the right direction."... Keeping
the peace ... and quiet A residential neighbourhood of student housing intermingled with valuable and well-maintained homes occupied by young families, professionals and retirees, the police campaigns are usually marked by plenty of complaining by students. They argue the crackdowns are nothing more than a "cash grab" that unfairly target them. But fed-up residents say they have had enough of the constant partying, loud music and hooting and hollering that goes on into early morning hours... GW
defends growth at first zoning meeting Representatives of the University said they their goal of increasing interdisciplinary research is constrained by the location within its confines in Foggy Bottom. They said that the average university student has 700 square feet while at GW the average student only has 300. The new growth could potentially give each student 100 more square feet. The meeting was well attended by Foggy Bottom/ West End residents as well as roughly three dozen students, some of whom who sported pins saying “Grow UP not OUT.”... ASU,
neighbors work to resolve housing fight The university plans to build a residential community for nearly 2,000 students on Apache Boulevard. ASU, the country's largest university, is looking to provide on-campus housing for 15,500 students by 2020. About 70 members of the Daley Park Neighborhood Association in Tempe recently expressed concerns about the safety and traffic issues during a meeting with university and city officials... College
town The College Town development, part of a proposed update to the university's master plan, would stretch along the south side of UTA Boulevard from Cooper Street to Oak Street. Planning documents show lush, tree-lined walking paths and a narrowed UTA Boulevard to slow traffic and help storefront businesses thrive. Above the first-floor retail establishments would be offices or apartment lofts... College
town 'poverty' exposed Whether in Berkeley, Calif., Ann Arbor, Mich., Provo, Utah, Gainesville, Fla., or Bowling Green and Columbus, Ohio, students in apartments and rented houses - the kids in college neighborhoods everywhere - are wildly inflating poverty rates. This might merely be one for the joke books but for this: The government uses poverty figures to dole out money for anti-poverty programs. Census poverty numbers, no matter how inflated, go into the Department of Housing and Urban Development's formula for awarding Community Development Block Grants, a $3.7 billion program... Inspections
the norm elsewhere Urbana officials say they want such a program to get an accurate contact list of landlords and agents for rental properties, to improve the city's rental housing stock and to help pay for hiring a second housing inspector and support staff... Vision
project seeks diverse input This has led to some concern that the vision, which is supposed to be a product of widespread community input, will be driven from the top down. But Gianni Longo of ACP Visioning and Planning, the consulting firm helping organize the visioning effort, promises that won’t be the case... Tear
Down Barriers To Downtown Revival More mixed-income housing is bringing downtowns back to life. Safety improves with more eyes on the street. Downtowns gain political clout as the voter base expands. It becomes easier to attract employers and retailers... Council
set to discuss condos The company also described its target market for the project as varied, including "younger professionals, singles and couples, empty nesters, retirees and generally buyers who want the convenience of maintenance-free living with a close proximity to downtown Chapel Hill's amenities." One former resident of the Town House apartments apparently was upset about the plans for her former home, and she wrote to town officials over the summer to urge them not to approve the project. "There is no reason to build condominiums that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars which only wealthy young professionals can afford," wrote Emma Griffis, a 2003 UNC graduate. "Save this space for university students who would not be able to afford other housing, and keep our community as it is: a college town in which all are able to happily live, work and study within their means. Don't push them out."... Morgantown
living costs ‘average’ for nation Morgantown’s composite index was 99.7. The national average composite score was 100... “When looking at other college towns in the eastern U.S., Morgantown falls in the middle with fellow Big East towns of Cincinnati, Ohio (94.3), Louisville, Ky. (97.6), and Pittsburgh, Pa. (95.2) with total indexes slightly below Morgantown,” Higginbotham said. Charlottesville, Va., home of the University of Virginia, had a composite index of 107.1... Student
housing may have mortgage "When I went to Pittsburgh and started seeing the prices, I was just amazed at the affordability of the houses," said Lopez, 51, of Bakersfield, Calif. He and his son Kris looked around at houses. On the plane ride home, Lopez made an offer on a house in Brookline. He bought it for $56,500... doug
Kaplan: It's time to reaffirm commitment to UC Let's take off our provincial hats for a moment and pretend that we are a UC regent, a state legislator or a California taxpayer. The time is the late 1950s. We know we need to build at least three new university campuses for the state's baby boomers and their offspring. One of the new campuses will be in the south Central Coastal Region, comprising counties from San Mateo and Santa Clara on the north, to Monterey and San Benito on the south. Who would like us to build a university in their community, we ask... mike
Rotkin: UC growth needs 'serious' planning Both pieces miss the essential point that the city is not challenging UCSC's right to grow, but only the right to grow without adequate mitigation of the impacts of that growth. Neither the campus Long-Range Development Plan LRDP nor that environmental impact report EIR required to accompany the LRDP begin to adequately address the impacts of proposed growth. And while the campus decision to reduce their growth target for the next 20 years from 21,000 students to 19,500 students is certainly a move in the right direction, the final EIR still does not address the impacts of projected growth on the local community even with the new lower-growth target... Panhandling:
Businesses beg for limits Downtown officials say they are starting a conversation that is likely to eventually lead to new restrictions or an outright ban on panhandling downtown, similar to recent measures in Atlanta, Augusta and Macon... About half of the 475 homeless people Mills counted in Athens in January said they had a substance abuse problem, and a quarter are mentally ill, Mills said. About half also have jobs, he said. "People don't know that the guy changing your oil or the woman behind the counter at Kroger are homeless as well,"... here have been problems between students and home owners in the past, but things seemed to calm down. Then two weekends ago, several separate parties on Mckoon drawing hundreds of students upset some neighbors who called the police. Residents
Say They've Had it With Out-of-Control College Parties Vonda Merrell has a 6 year old daughter and says she just wants the students to respect their neighbors. Vonda Merrell: "They're nice kids and everything but sometimes they can keep you up late at night if youre trying to go to sleep on the weekends, but other than that theyre nice."...
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